Saturday, March 18, 2006

Why so like dat?

The following are more comments on Worldwide posted in my shoutbox..

From Kingpin.

  • moola says...==> hmm.. let's be more accurate here on the issue of Worldwide dividend. If moola does not even know about the dividend,then ask and it will be fed to you rather than ASSUME kingpin is not accurate..from bursa site "For the financial year ended 31 December 2005, the Directors have recommended a proposed final dividend of 3% less tax 28% and a special dividend of 7% less tax 28% tax , representing a total of 7.2 sen net per share. "
  • so it's 5.6+10 =15.6ss. At1.88, its 8.3% yield gross, actually more.

Ah yes. That's the recommended proposed final dividend. And of course if one adds up the unpaid dividend, the yield will be around 8.3% based on a price of 1.88. (ah... assuming that the investor bought Worldwide much earlier and received that 5.6 sen interim dividend)

And if Kingpin were to read, I have been talking all this while about PAID dividend. And in my own exact words: "Worldwide paid a gross dividend of 10 sen for fy 2004. And for fy 2005, it had paid a gross interim dividend of 5.6 sen. "

the following was taken from Worldwide's quarterly earnings..

  • Dividend Paid

    (a) Financial year ended 31 December 2004

    An interim dividend of 4 sen per share less 28% tax amounting to RM4,921,298 was paid on 7 January 2005 in respect of the financial year. The final gross dividend of 6 sen per share less 28% tax amounting to RM7,391,275 was paid on 15 July 2005.

    (b) Financial year ended 31 December 2005

    An interim dividend of 3.6 sen tax exempt and 2 sen less 28% tax amounting to RM8,683,234.81 was paid on 10 February 2006 in respect of the financial year.
For me, all this while, my own interpretation of dividend yield is based on the dividend paid. I do not consider the propsed dividend. Now if by omitting the proposed dividend is such a big issue, firstly I would APOLOGISE to all and I would gladly offer my apology to Kingpin as well if my differing view is causing a confusion.

Many apologies again!

No problem at all.

However, the following shouts baffles me.

Remember, everyone has the right to post any comments in blogs or message boards, but at the end of the day, let's not forget that comments are mere opinions of each individual.

In the issue of the stock market, no one will have the same exact view and opinions all the time.

And sometimes.. or rather especially on the issues of the stock market, in blogs, forums, message boards, chat rooms, mis-interpretations like how I left out the proposed dividends in my own interpretation of dividend yield, will happen.

Now when Kingpin wrote the following.
  • i can answer you point by point, if only i have the time....like you.....hahahhha. One word of advice, the more you write, the more you show your ignorance of the real world...err....are you just an armchair critic....tiime out. Good luck

Hmm... initially, I ass-u-med that the comments were fired at me, since I interpretated the dividend issue differently.

I was baffled.. cause if I had view of dividend yield differs, does it make one to be ignorant? An armchair critic?

Why the need for such comments?

Then I realised the comments in the next shout.

  • kingpin: i am referring to hchc when i said i can answer you point by point.....previouss post

So Kingpin was refering to hhc yet again.

But yet again.. I am baffled by such comments. Is there a need for such comments?

First of all, less not forget, Kingpin started calling names upon HHC, who had merely expressed his opinions against Worldwide. And by expessing his views against Worldwide, Kingpin started refering HHC as hchc and insituating that hc stands for health center!

And now he is saying that the more hhc writes, the more he shows his ignorance ...

Goodness me!

Why is there the need for all this?

Isn't this the typical kurang ajar attitude and behavior that we find it so disgusting in our Malaysian culture?

No one has asked anyone to accept anyone's views and opinions.

If anyone does not agree or accept another's views and thinkings, one is most welcomed to express back their personal opinions and views on why they do not agree. Simple as that.

So if and when an opinion or view differ... please lah... this does make one ignorant, isn't it? And there is certainly no need to resort to any name callings!

I find it so sad to see such poor attitude. We are all here to learn and express our views and opinions about the stocks and on the stock market. And by expressing and sharing our views, perhaps we can learn to be a better investor or trader. Tiok boh?

So when an opinion and view differs.. is there a need to resort to name callings?

Sigh!

13 comments:

  1. Anonymous11:19 AM

    Animal name calling is biasa in Malaysian culture. Go read JeffOoi's blog.

    http://www.jeffooi.com/2006/03/parliamentary_sitcom_and_court.php

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  2. Anonymous11:20 AM

    This is the result of our very efficient education system. Argue
    until one's opinion is prove to be
    acceptable and become a fact becos. nobody can offer anymore argument.
    e.g. the law

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  3. Animal,

    Thanks!

    But actually the link you have given is broken.. but I think I know which Jeff Ooi posting you are talking about.

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  4. Hi anon,

    This is the result of our very efficient education system. Argue
    until one's opinion is prove to be
    acceptable and become a fact becos. nobody can offer anymore argument.
    e.g. the law

    ==>

    Fully agree with you...so sad isn't it?

    sigh!

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  5. Anonymous12:28 PM

    Ppl like this everywhere lah! They cannot take it if you tok bad about the stocks they own!

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  6. nm,

    See the problem facing stock analyst when they ever try to downgrade a stock to Sell or reduce possible?

    I really pity on these analyst. They can only report beautiful pictures of the company. If they ever try to provide alternative view, they will get all sort of treatments, like name calling.

    Someone doesnt know what is the meaning of discussion & opinion sharing.

    I wonder how far will BSKL develope when these kind of tak apa asal ada profit attitude prevails in investor mind. Or is this due to Msian new generation up bringing where there is no alternative view ever allowed esp one's authority or opinion is challenged?

    Hope this unique pass-by is just one in the million in Msia.

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  7. Anonymous2:11 PM

    Bro,

    We should not waste our time such such idiots.

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  9. nm,

    Anon, i agree we shud not waste time on him. but just to make thing clear on this

    Mr Kingpin
    "i think hchc guy say "The problem here is that worldwide has its ESOS and definitely its directors will entitled to it. If worldwide is such a fabulous company, why the director is not holding any share. First, nobody ssaid Wldwide is a fabulous co, second , well look here 2004a/c :
    DatoĆ¢€™ Hj. Ibrahim
    Md Yusof, DSIS, SSA
    - share options 600,000

    need i say more??"

    -->I think u shud answer to me why on Director information page in KLSE-RIS, Dato Ibrahim is ONLY holding 100,000 share only? This option is definitely not his first (he was appointed from 1996) and what happen to his former grant? or are u assuming that GM is so short of cash that he cant hold share?

    Just browse thru Wrldwide Annual report from 2001 to 2004 for its ESOS section.

    At 2001
    Share Option
    Haji Moh 163,000 600,000 (GRANTED

    At 2003
    Haji Moh sells 50,000 share.

    Thing remains as until 2004.

    ---------------------------------
    "First, nobody ssaid Wldwide is a fabulous co"

    --> Then may i ask why u like Worlwide so much when it's not a fabulous company? From yr reasoning, it seemed worldwide is a very good value buy?
    Or u are only interested in not fabulous company?
    This really puzzled me.

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  10. hhc,

    It really puzzles me why some people are so like dat.

    In the stock market, there are so many opinions and views about everything. Some got different ways to punt, some got different ways to trade, some got different ideas on investing.. and to make it even more complex.. everyone have different opinions on a stock.

    As a grown adult.. we participate in forums, chat rooms, discussions and now in blogs to share and discuss our opinions and views..

    and if our opinion differs... if differs... there is no reason to get upset and start childish name calling stuff.

    It's simple so unacceptable!

    Back to Worldwide...

    If it is such an investment grade stock.. then the simpliest question that needs to be asked is... since 2003.. folks like Insider Asia recommended a buy on it... till now... 2006... why is the share so not laku?

    And if the stock is really good.. then it matters not what bad opinions others has about the stock, right?


    ps..
    oh.. when Worldwide announces the actual date for distributing its final dividend for fy2005, there's a pretty good chance for the stock to move up... lol... and when it does move up... i wonder... what will be said... :P:P:P

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  11. Anonymous5:58 PM

    Someone doesnt know what is the meaning of discussion & opinion sharing.

    I wonder how far will BSKL develope when these kind of tak apa asal ada profit attitude prevails in investor mind. Or is this due to Msian new generation up bringing where there is no alternative view ever allowed esp one's authority or opinion is challenged?

    ---
    That is a good point

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  12. nm,

    dont problem. there is always bad apple in the orchard.

    Hope you can continue to offer yr opinion in BSKL stocks. And if i m free, i will drop by and offer some of my opinion. And u shud know that i dont always agree with you also (uchi's ESOS issue). But i always respect your opinion because i believe thru different eyes, we can see things clearer.

    Where is everybody else from your old forum? Y1, junior, PEg? It's been a long time since i chat with PEg or liama.

    Kind of missing liama lesson.....

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  13. hhc,

    i have no idea where they are...

    :(

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