Saturday, November 29, 2008

Prem Watsa Gives An Investment Tip: Buy Now!

Published on NationPost.com: Wall Street winner: buy now

  • Canada’s Prem Watsa, Chair and founder of Fairfax Financial Holdings Limited, is the only major money manager/insurance company to have forecasted and benefited from the current catastrophe. On Oct. 4, he told me in an interview that it was wise for everyone to stay on the sidelines in terms of investment. He now has a new view and last week took off the hedges from his equity holdings and is investing selectively in common stocks.

    (Fairfax’s investment team, led by Watsa, has made US$2 billion in profits for shareholders since 2003 and its market cap has gone up slightly despite the worst market since 1929 and the fact that its property and casualty rivals’ stock prices have cratered by 26.5% to 97.4%. Fairfax has remained at US$5 billion market cap in the past year while Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway has collapsed from US$219.2 billion market cap to $120.1 billion or the Hartford Financial fromUS$27.4 billion to US$1.7 billion. Or AIG.)

    The result is that Fairfax has now gone from North America’s 14th largest public property and casualty insurer to its 7th.

    Q&A with Prem Watsa:

    Q. You removed hedges last week, so do you think the bottom’s been reached?

    A. “With the S&P drop year-to-date of 50% -- not seen since 1931 -- and how worried the investment community is, it just seemed to us a lot of fear may already be discounted in the stock markets. You can't say this is the bottom, markets are a discounting mechanism and certainly still can go down some; however, we thought it was an appropriate time to close our equity index hedges."

    "Before we took the equity index hedges off we asked: Suppose we were wrong and the stock markets go down further, can we handle it? Our analysis indicated we could. Our hedges have done their job, protecting us from the 50% market decline we saw into November. However, we asked ourselves what if the stock markets decline another 50% and - in terms of ratings and capital - all the models we use indicated that we'd be fine.”

    “As for future stock values, trees don't grow to the sky and markets don't go to the floor, or zero. After a 50% drop, we see a ton of opportunity in terms of stock prices (in relationship to intrinsic values) we have never seen for a long, long time now."

    "General Electric has never been valued this cheaply in 50 years. GE at $15-16, represents seven times earnings, over 8% yield -- which takes you right back to the 50s. This is a AAA-rated company. It has a tremendous record and today you can buy it at these very low prices."

    Q. What’s your advice now to the average investor who you warned should avoid the market in early October?

    A. “We are buying many common stock positions at these prices. We are buying with the idea that the stocks we buy could go down in the short-term and that is not going to affect us. You have to be able to buy with cash and not go on margin or borrow money to buy these stocks."

    "We would not have taken our hedges off if we didn't think we could survive a further 50% drop in the market, because a further stock market drop in the short-term is also a possibility".

    "A good investment now would be a value-oriented mutual fund with a long-term track record but without leverage."

    Q. Is the redemption phenomenon, by hedge and mutual funds, nearly finished knocking down stock values?

    A. "We have seen more than a 20% decline in mutual fund assets in the last three months and this redemption run can last for some time. The recession may be long and deep and redemptions may continue for some time.”

    Q. How will the next President-elect Barack Obama affect Canada?

    A. "They are pouring money into banks, consumer credit, toxic assets. I'm not sure there is a lot of ammunition left but it looks like the new administration is going to come with a very significant stimulus program. The Chinese have too. At some point these actions will bite and a recovery will begin, but we must be careful to see what the new administration will do."

    "Things to watch the new administration on are trade and China, currency, autos, the environment as it affects businesses, interest rates and of course, taxes. If the new administration decides not to do anything on taxes for two years, that could have a very different impact from hiking corporate and capital gains and other taxes immediately."

    “We will most likely be dragged down by the events unfolding in the U.S. Fortunately, our C$ has gone down, which gives our businesses some protection. Canada may have to put money into any auto deal."

Got the tip?

  • "General Electric has never been valued this cheaply in 50 years. GE at $15-16, represents seven times earnings, over 8% yield -- which takes you right back to the 50s. This is a AAA-rated company. It has a tremendous record and today you can buy it at these very low prices."




6 comments:

Jasonred79 said...

... somehow, I really REALLY doubt that GE will be able to maintain earnings at that level. So, I would take that 7 times earnings and 8% yield with a pinch of salt. Or a whole handful of it.

Secondly, for some reason, I actually can and do find stocks which have historic single digit PEs and 2 digit yields. (VERY rare sometimes though)

The lure of General Electric, is it's BRAND... who doesn't want to own GE? It's one of those legendary blue chips that just rounds out any portfolio.

Still, the consensus is that General Electric will probably have a bad year or two or maybe even 5, but eventually it will do very well again.

Unless China somehow manages to erode it's market share by flooding the world with cheap electronic goods or something.

Summary: General Electric seems to be "cheap" at this level, and should recover someday, so it will probably make some good profits if you buy now and sell in a few years time.

Moolah said...

LOL! Jason, for what it's worth, do remember that I am a mere messenger. Ok? :D

If you think it's worth buying because of its global brand then go ahead. If you think it's not worth buying then it's not!

cheers!

Gamelion said...

Bottom will only be reach when all this so call experts do not even want to mention about it or the poster boy warren buffett need Federal bailout !!!

Moolah said...

Warren a poster boy??

Goodness me!

Warren needing A Federal bailout?

Sigh!

Could you show how is that even remotely possible???

Jasonred79 said...

Totally impossible for Buffet to need a bailout.

Er... I suppose in theory, IN THEORY, it is possible for Berkshire to take a lot of investment losses, and all the businesses it owns go bankrupt (including Coca Cola! lol) and then after that it's insurance business get's hit with some outlandish number of claims.
Not even remotely likely, but it's "possible"

BUFFET himself needing a bailout??? That's impossible. AFAIK he has absolutely no personal debt whatsoever, and fully owns his house, car, and has QUITE a few million in cash... Every single stock and business he owns could simultaneously go bankrupt, and Buffet would not need a bailout.

Correct me if I'm wrong about this!

Moolah said...

Perhaps one might want to study Berkshire financial status first. :D