Thursday, June 12, 2008

Philip Fisher's Management Integrity II

Had some interesting comments on the posting Philip Fisher On Management Integrity

From Random:

  • Trust.. once lost hard to gain back..
    Hats off to the CEO who has the balls to say "Hey times are hard, expect profits to be down and dividends to be less"
    I don't mind sticking with an honest business owner

From John

  • I recall PPB's boss making a statement last year that future earnings in the coming quarters may be not meet that current quarter's strong performance. Something along that line.

    Investors who took notice of those comments and sold PPB would be cursing now as it is trading at near record high and having just given some very generous dividends.

    SO beware of these opposite kinda moves too, where things are rosy, but they tell you that they are not, so that they can accumulate more at lower prices in the market.

Many thanks for the feedback.

One of the best ever example on this issue has to be Mieco Chipboard!

First let me refresh what Fisher was saying.

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According to Fisher, "It is the nature of business that in even the best run companies unexpected difficulties, profit squeezes, and unfavorable shift in demand for their products will at times occur."

For example, a well-managed company under-taking a massive plant expansion might face unexpected delays, unexpected expenses or unbudgeted costs. And this delay totally messes up the management's profit forecasts or could it even put a huge damper on the group's profits.

And according to Fisher, "How a management reacts to such matters can be a valuable clue the investor."


Now in the plant expansion example, some management may 'clam up' their investors by not telling the investors what exactly is happening because the management does not want to create an impression that either things are out of control or they do not have a contingency plan to correct what is going wrong.

And according to Fisher, "The investor will do well to exclude from investment any company that withholds or tries to hide bad news."

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Let's look at how true his statement that "The investor will do well to exclude from investment any company that withholds or tries to hide the bad news."

Now Mieco Chipboard at that time had a
new factory expansion.

Yes, growth via new plants always sounds so sexy. And the common arguement is that for a business to have a new plant then surely the business must be growing and doing good.

However, there are always risks in such a venture. And Fisher explains the risks as follows.

  • For example, a well-managed company under-taking a massive plant expansion might face unexpected delays, unexpected expenses or unbudgeted costs. And this delay totally messes up the management's profit forecasts or could it even put a huge damper on the group's profits.

Now isn't this exactly what Fisher is talking about? A new factory expansion was made but the new factory is not delivering!

On 24th May 2005, Mieco reported its 05 Q1 earnings. One can see that Mieco's quarterly earnings dropped from 8.948 million a quarter ago to just 2.498 million.
So instead of explaining to the investors why the sudden huge drop in profits, there was this overly bullish statement made by Mieco on the 17th June 2005, the company management states that Mieco targets 500 million in revenue the next fiscal year. And Mieco was rightly queried by the SC on the 20th June.

Classic example of what Fisher was saying! Company did poorly. Instead of explaining to the investors what went wrong, the company continued to make optimistic statements in the press! Now big question, should the investor listen to Fisher's advice? Would the investor do well if he/she excludes themselves from such an investment?

On 29th Aug 2005, the company announced its 05 Q2 earnings. Net profits slumped to an alarming 120k for the quarter. Remember Mieco had underwent a huge capital expansion to finance the new plant. And the new plant is simply not delivering.

Did Mieco management come out and explain why their results were so extremely poor? No, they did not.

On Sept 13th 2005, RAM downgraded Mieco's RM175mil Al Murabahah commercial paper from stable to negative.

Mieco shares started to tumble badly in the market.

Now get this, on the 12th Oct 2005, the management had a write-up in the Edge weekly. The article carried the title 'Mieco's long-term prospects still bright'. According to the reporter, that was what the director said of the company prospect.

Dejavu!!

Company is not doing well BUT the management still comes out and insist that the company prospect is still bright!

Guess what? On 22nd Nov 2005, Mieco announced that it lost 3.742 million for its 2005 Q3.

Present day? Mieco latest quarterly earnings still showed a loss and Mieco last traded at 50 sen.

Again the Fisher question is asked.

Would the investor do well if he/she excludes themselves from such an investment?

Wednesday, June 11, 2008

Philip Fisher On Management Integrity

In the investment classic, Common Stocks and Uncommon Profits , the late Philip Fisher wrote about 15 points one should consider when buying a stock (chapter 3).

The last 2 points (points 14 & points 15) focused on the issue of management integrity.

  • Does the management talk freely to investors about its affairs when things are going well but “clam up” when troubles and disappointments occur?
  • Does the company have a management of unquestionable integrity?

According to Fisher in point number 14:

  • The management that does not report as freely when things are going badly as when they are going well usually 'clams up' in this way for one of several rather significant reasons. It may not have a program worked out to solve the unanticipated difficulty. It may have become panicky. It may not have an adequate sense of responsibility to its shareholders, seeing no reason why it should report more than what may seem expedient at the moment. In any event, the investor would do well to exclude from investment in any company that withholds or tries to hide bad news.

There was one nice example back in 2006 which reflects what Mr. Fisher is talking about. See DVM: Part III.

The company makes a rather huge loss. And instead of even explaining to the investing public why and how the losses occured, the executive director of the company talked about being optimistic about the company's future prospects!!!!

According to Fisher, "It is the nature of business that in even the best run companies unexpected difficulties, profit squeezes, and unfavorable shift in demand for their products will at times occur."

For example, a well-managed company under-taking a massive plant expansion might face unexpected delays, unexpected expenses or unbudgeted costs. And this delay totally messes up the management's profit forecasts or could it even put a huge damper on the group's profits. (Remember Mieco case?)

And according to Fisher, "How a management reacts to such matters can be a valuable clue the investor."

Now in the plant expansion example, some management may 'calm up' their investors by not telling the investors what exactly is happening because the mangement does not want to create an impression that either things are out of control or they do not have a contingency plan to correct what is going wrong.

And according to Fisher, "The investor will do well to exclude from investment any company that withholds or tries to hide bad news."

How about the case of Tong Herr?

The company reports in its latest quarterly earnings that:

  • The higher revenue and lower profit before income tax for this quarter are due to higher demand for the product and higher cost of raw materials purchased in the preceding quarters.

However, in a press interview, Tong Herr to invest RM70m on production, the boss said the following.

  • Tsai said Tong Herr will also invest RM25 million to expand its 7,000 sq ft Thai factory located at the Amata Nakorn Industrial Estate in Chonburi, adding that rising steel prices had very little impact on Tong Herr's bottom lines.

Contrary statements made! How would you rate such management?

Or how about the example mentioned in Review Of Hai-O?

The company declares the following to the mass media. (see http://www.hai-o.com.my/cms/layout/Printer.asp?ProductID=62 )

  • On why Hai-O was venturing into the IT sector, he said: “We are debt free and cash rich as we have RM8mil in fixed deposits, RM4mil in our current account, and RM20mil in overdraft facilities. Therefore, we will venture into any business if it can bring us some benefit.”

However, if one digs deeper, one would have noted that HaiO had a Rights Issue in 2003. Now wouldn't this give a brand new meaning of being cash rich company, yes? Well, their debt free and cash rich was not via the company's hard work but the net cash resulted from a rights issue!

And how would you rate such management?

Movinng on, regarding the issue of integrity, I do find this is a simple no-brainer.

Does it make sense to go into a business-partnership with someone you do not trust?

Why should it be different in the stock market?

It is hard to imagine why anyone would want to go into a business partnership with someone who would most likely cheat us the minute we turn our back.

According to Fisher, the management of a company is always for closer to its assets than its shareholders. And without even breaking any laws, there are number of ways that the management can benefit themselves and their families at the expense of the minority shareholders, for example employing their relatives, buy-and-selling of properties between relatives at above market rates or the issuing common stock options.

It's not only the dislike for dealing with unscrupulous people but Fisher believes that companies managed by people of dubious integrity will definitely meet with failure. (Don't you agree?) For those in control would attempt to make money at the expense of the minority shareholders for these minority means nothing to them but mere other people's money who are there for them to abuse!

Tuesday, June 10, 2008

A Look At Contrarian Investing Approach for Tong Herr.

Taken from Sun Tzu on Investing

Contrarian Investing

Contrarian Investing is a method of moving against the crowd, which relies heavily on a broad understanding of investor psychology, and when done successfully, you will appear to have seen the future. Sun Tzu advised his generals to devise strategies that deceived their opponents, wore them out, and put them at natural disadvantages. Rational investors will have a natural advantage during time of excessive bull market optimism and bear market pessimism. The key to recognizing such dangers and opportunities is to remain loyal to your Sun Tzu-style assessments, continue screening stocks one at a time and remain focused on determined business value. Your discipline will help you avoid paying too much during bull markets and enhance your confidence to buy bargains during bear markets. You will become a rational contrarian and your peers will think you have seen the future (or lost your mind).

Contrarian Investing is one of those terms often misunderstood. A contrarian investor doesn't move against the popular crowd simply for the sake of being different. The true contrarian is a strategic investor whose disciplined approach to stock selection is often at odds with the current trend. If you stick to any particular investing style, be it based on low asset valuations, high earnings growth rates, or high dividend yields, there will be period of times when your style will be in line with the popular thinking, and other times when it will run contrary to the style of the day.


The more long-term focused your strategy, the more likely it will be at odds with popular market trends. Contrasting styles of investing often result from investors' perspectives of the stock market. Chartists, technical analysts and speculators are looking at the short term price movement patterns in the hope they can glean some sense of a trend, able to predict what other investors are thinking. They are trying to understand the emotions of other investors and profit by anticipating their next move. As their guessing game becomes more sophisticated and everyone is observing the same charts - the professional guessers must now predict how the other predictors are guessing about how emotions of the majority investors will affect short-term price movements - this quickly becomes a frustrating guess-what-the-guessers-are-guessing game with no likely winners.

Taken from Mary Buffett's
The New Buffettology

CONTRARIAN INVESTMENT STRATEGY VERSUS SELECTIVE CONTRARIAN INVESTMENT STRATEGY

In a contrarian investment strategy, the investor buys stocks that have recently performed poorly and have fallen out of favor with investors. This strategy is based on the stock research of Eugene Fama and Kenneth French, who figured out that buying companies that have had their stock prices beaten down in the two previous years are likely to give investors an above-average return over the next two years. This strategy focuses on falling stock prices and pays little mind to the underlying economics of the companies. With the traditional contrarian investment strategy investors don’t discriminate between price-competitive-type businesses and companies that possess a durable competitive advantage. So long as the share price has recently fallen, the stock is a candidate for purchase.

A selective contrarian investment strategy – Warren’s approach – dictates that investors buy shares only when a company has a durable competitive advantage, and only when its stock price has been beaten down by a shortsighted market, to the extent that it makes business sense to purchase the entire market. This strategy differs from the traditional contrarian investment strategy in that it targets specific companies that have an identifiable strategy in that it targets specific companies that have an identifiable durable competitive advantage over their competitors and are selling at a price that a private business owner would find attractive.

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In a contrarian investment strategy, the investor buys stocks that have recently performed poorly and have fallen out of favor with investors. This strategy is based on the stock research of Eugene Fama and Kenneth French, who figured out that buying companies that have had their stock prices beaten down in the two previous years are likely to give investors an above-average return over the next two years.

As you are very well aware that the market is full of risks.

And the success of an investor or even a trader depends on how well they acknowledge and manage their risk.

Let me give you some of my views. Not sure you would agree but here goes...

So firstly i would try to understand the theory.

The main assumption in this strategy is that all beaten down stocks will one day rise again.

Which basically saying is that all stock price movements are cyclical. Stocks will have their up and their down days.

So where could one go wrong?

1.How safe is our purchase price? What if the beaten down stock gets more beaten? Or simply put... is it time to buy now?

2.Yes, in general ... most stocks that get beaten down... will rise again... but what if it rebound does not past my purchase price? Meaning will the recovery be worthwhile? Will it be profitable?

3.What if the selected stock in the beaten down industry does not rise?

4.What if shit happens? Beaten down stock gets beaten down because it is so poor fundamentally. And the real danger is what if it turns into a real disaster? Yes what if the stock really goes DOWN under?

5. How long would it take for this recovery to happen? Say if we buy the stock now.. seeing that the stock price is beaten down... what if this recovery takes much longer than we expected? Will the stock price hold?

Well these are the questions I think that require much thinking.


In fact, me myself, cannot give you a logical answer to all of it because the bottom line is that the answers to the questions is itself unpredictable.

Which is why, in my opinion, I find what Mary Buffett wrote in her book,
The New Buffettology , about her ex-father-in-law is a rather more useful approach.

A selective contrarian investment strategy – Warren’s approach – dictates that investors buy shares only when a company has a durable competitive advantage, and only when its stock price has been beaten down by a shortsighted market, to the extent that it makes business sense to purchase the entire market. This strategy differs from the traditional contrarian investment strategy in that it targets specific companies that have an identifiable strategy in that it targets specific companies that have an identifiable durable competitive advantage over their competitors and are selling at a price that a private business owner would find attractive.

Which basically means that the beaten down stocks must represents companies which has a durable competitive advantage.

Companies that are of good quality.

This, I believe will help the investor safeguard themselves versus the issues that I had written earlier.

This would be my contrarian approach.

Being contrary just for the sake of betting against the crowd is rather silly isn't it?

There's no need to go and get ourselves killed for the sake of being different yes?

Let's do a current example on Tong Herr.

  • In a contrarian investment strategy, the investor buys stocks that have recently performed poorly and have fallen out of favor with investors. This strategy is based on the stock research of Eugene Fama and Kenneth French, who figured out that buying companies that have had their stock prices beaten down in the two previous years are likely to give investors an above-average return over the next two years.
Now based on Fama and French theory, we now have a stock which had a 3 month high of around 3.40 and a 12 month high of around 4.25 (adjusted for bonus issue).

Price of Tong Herr is now 2.85, off 1.40 (or 32%) from its peak last July. And Tong Herr does have a rather better than average balance sheet.

So would one be influenced just because of the low price to adopt a contrarian investing approach on Tong Herr?

Let's see, Tong Herr stock has performed poorly and surely one would say that the stock has fallen out of favor.

So would one consider Tong Herr as a candidate under this contrarian theory approach?

If so, let's put a marker at 2.85 and do a review on it maybe a year later? Ok?

Now compare the other contrarian approach. The selective contrarian approach.
  • A selective contrarian investment strategy – Warren’s approach – dictates that investors buy shares only when a company has a durable competitive advantage, and only when its stock price has been beaten down by a shortsighted market, to the extent that it makes business sense to purchase the entire market. This strategy differs from the traditional contrarian investment strategy in that it targets specific companies that have an identifiable strategy in that it targets specific companies that have an identifiable durable competitive advantage over their competitors and are selling at a price that a private business owner would find attractive.
Simple reasoning.

Does Tong Herr, a producer of stainless steel fastener (bolts), have a durable competitive advantage?

My answer would be NO.

This is clearly a cyclical stock which had enjoyed tremendous fortune recently due to a couple of reasoning. Back in 2002, the removal of trade barriers (there were early accusations of price dumping in this industry) helped. But the biggest factor in my opinion that the management was simply brilliant when they stocked up their raw material inventory before the amazing bull run in the nickel started. Margins were fantastic and great profits were made in the early days. But all advantage from the brilliant hindsight of the management to stock up the inventory has passed.

And as stated in the company's recent quarterly earnings:
  • The higher revenue and lower profit before income tax for this quarter are due to higher demand for the product and higher cost of raw materials purchased in the preceding quarters.
And when you compare the quarterly earnings, the negative impact caused by higher raw materials is showing. Compare the recent announced earnings versus the same period last year.

And based on these facts, I would question the long term competitive advantage of Tong Herr's product.

And when you factor in the current massive changes in the local business economic environment, where the petrol and power tariffs had been increased, I feel that perhaps NOW is not the time to adopt the selective contrarian investing approach and buy Tong Herr at 2.85.

That's my opinion which obviously could be faulty.

Monday, June 09, 2008

Invest Only When It's Easy To Make Money!

Sun Tzu was no speculator. He was unwilling to take any unnecessary risks - patiently waiting and continuously preparing, gathering information and honing useful skills - until the day arrived when victory was assured. His timeless advice was, "fight only when it is easy to win."

The most accomplished investors are noted for their uncanny ability to make decisive moves at just the right time. When you dig deep to investigate their strategies, and look at them from a SunTzu perspective, the mystery will vanish. To win when it is easy to win requires self-control to wait for the right circumstances to arrive, and to prepare thoroughly in order to recognize the opportune time for confident and decisive action. If the preparation is not done ahead of time, the opportunity passes unnoticed.

pg.24 of Sun Tzu On Investing

Hmm... here are some famous Warren Buffett wisdom which parallels Sun Tzu teaching of fighting only when it is easy to win.

  • "I like to go for cinches. I like to shoot fish in a barrel. But I like to do it after the water has run out."- Warren Buffett, Oct. 2003 talking with Wharton MBA students
  • "The important thing is to keep playing, to play against weak opponents and to play for big stakes."- Warren Buffett, Nov. 2002 talking with students at Gaston Hall

Playing against weak opponents and to play for big stakes... fight only when it is easy to win.. really, really makes sense, doesn't it?

Let's take an old stock scenario and put things into perspective, let's use my old favourite, Mieco.

Way back in Aug 2004, the stock fell from a high.

And because of the fall, folks like iCapital was calling it a long term buy based on one factor, Mieco's new factory equated to good prospect.

Now, an investor, investing in Mieco, the investor was actually investing based solely on this factor (err.. would it be wrong to define it as 'speculating' that the new factory will deliver?).

But what were the other issues faced by the investor?

Should we be delusional and act as if it did not exist? And should one invest simply because of iCapital?

What about the reasoning and the justifications behind the recommendation?

Well, iCapital and the investor should have known that one was investing in a company that was witnessing a huge decline in earnings and earnings margins. Fundamentals changed from a company in a nett cash position to a company in a nett debt position. And more importantly, how much earnings will the new factory deliver and when will one see the positive effect of the new earnings. And more importantly, the price around 2.30 for Mieco, wasn't cheap when one based it on current earnings.

Now let's reason out the justifications and weigh the pro versus the cons.

Isn't this a simple commonsense thing to do?

Now based on the variables that were present then, would one define Mieco as an easy stock picking?

Reasoning for earnings to improve was there if and if the new plant could deliver.

Reasoning to be cautious was there. Stock wasn't cheap and worse of all, the fundamentals were worsening.

So ass-u-me one followed iCapital kind advice and Buy and OLD for the long term (doh!) at around 2.30.

Do you know what the price of Mieco now?

0.505!!!!

Look at the end result of fighting a difficult battle!!

Or how now?

Look at the current economic variables.

What do you see?

Yes, things could get better in the future. In the long run, surely there's a better tomorrow.

But what about now?

What kind of business environment do we see out there?

Aren't most companies enjoying their best ever earnings currently?

Ask yourself this, do you reckon that these companies could improve their earnings in the near future, given the current changes in the local economic environment? Petrol, gas and electricity tariffs have all increased at the same time. Can the companies pass the buck down and shaft it to their customers? Or do you reckon that most companies will be forced to bear this new burden?

Most of all, do you think earnings would improve or decline?

Do you think that now represents a period where it is easy for any investor to make money?

Or do you think that that it makes good sense to be a ninja turtle and obediently hide in the turtle shell once the going is tough and only fight when i KNOW very well that i can whack and hantem the bugger kow-kow!!!

ps: what was Billy Ocean singing about When the Going Gets tough...

Saturday, June 07, 2008

Investing It My Way

Blast from past.

If ever there is a need for a theme song for investors, it just simply has got to be My Way. Here is why I think that this is such a lovely song. :p

Regrets, I've had a few,
But then again, too few to mention.
I did what I had to do,
And saw it through without exemption.

In our life as an investor, we are bound to have regrets or mistakes. No one goes through life without making a single mistake. It's just not possible. And in investing, since mistaks do cost us tons of money
, we want to make very sure that the mistakes are kept to the bare minimum and besides limiting the amount of mistakes, we do not want any of those mistakes turn into a massive mistake that it wipes us completely out of the investment game. Think of what Sinatra is singing here 'Regrets, I've had a few (keeping the mistakes to the minimum). But then again, too few to mention (ah, the mistakes made are just minor mistakes or mistakes that would not be damaging our heart and soul!).'

The song continued 'I did what I had to do and saw it through without exemption'.

In investing, did we do what we had to do? If our investing philosophy is all about intelligent investing (the purchase of shares in good businesses when market prices were at a large discount from underlying business values) whenever we make an investment, is our investment done in the most rational decision? Or do we make an exemption and sacrifice the pricing factor by overpaying an investment just because we ass-u-me that a market rally is about to happen? Or perhaps it would be better to stick to our game plan, and do what we had to do and do it without exemption?

I planned each charted course,
Each careful step along the byway.
But more, much more than this,I did it my way.


Planning each charted course, each careful step along the by way. Did we plan enough in our investments? Were we careful in each of our investments? Or did we sacrifice a tiny little weenie bit in our margin of safety? Did we take unwarranted risks in our investments?

The very last part, I did it my way. Think of Warren Buffett's Advantage
. Buffett's advantage is that he knows he is right because his reasoning his right and that sometimes the manic Mr.Market might not agree with him. So if we made the best logical reasoning (very crucial here.. the issue of how dead sure are we that we are right?) then it doesn't matter if Mr.Market agree with us or not. For we have done it our way, the right way!

Yes, there were times,
I'm sure you knew,
When I bit off more than I could chew,
But through it all, when there was doubt,
I ate it up and spit it out.
I faced it all and I stood tall
And did it my way.


Ah, there were times, I'm sure every one of us has faced it before, the making of mistakes.

So what do you do when there was doubt?

Hmm... interesting issue.

Being wrong or being in doubt?

Well when we are wrong, we know very well the right thing to do in life is to stop being wrong.

But when we are in doubt, ah there is a mighty huge difference because we do not know whether we are right or we are wrong.

This part, for those trading in the market, it is very precisely clear that they never, ever to trade in doubt.

But for investors, this issue is not as crystal clear.

Take for example, a company having a setback in their business operations. The 'doubt' for the investor is defining the setback. Is the setback temporary or will the setback turn into a permanent issue?

An investor who assumes the setback is a temporary thingy, might treat it as an investment opportunity.

However, if the setback turns into a premanent issue, then the investor has simply made a wrong investment and what's more damaging, in such incidents, it takes a far longer time for the investor to realise that the setback is permanent.

And by then, the mistake would have turn so huge that it might kill the investor in a single blow! This is why some investment gurus teach one not to invest in a stock whenever we are in doubt!

And not forgetting, 'I ate it up and spit it out'... when we are wrong in our investment, we have to 'spit it out'. That is the investor has got to admit their investing mistakes and cut-loss!

So sing it out loud....

And now, the end is near,
And so I face the final curtain.
My friends, I'll say it clear;
I'll state my case of which I'm certain.

I've lived a life that's full,
I've traveled each and every highway.
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.

Regrets, I've had a few,
But then again, too few to mention.
I did what I had to do,
And saw it through without exemption.

I planned each charted course,
Each careful step along the byway,
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.

Yes, there were times,
I'm sure you knew,
When I bit off more than I could chew,
But through it all, when there was doubt,
I ate it up and spit it out.
I faced it all and I stood tall
And did it my way.




Our Investing Advantage

Blast from the past.

(Continuing on the wonderful compilation of Warren Buffett's sayings done by Bud Labitan called "The Warren Buffett Business Factors" but unfortunately the link I had recorded is broken.)

We bought all of our Washington Post Company holdings in mid-1973 at a price of not more than one-fourth of the then per-share business value of the enterprise. Calculating the price/value ratio required no unusual insights. Most security analysts, media brokers, and media executives would have estimated WPC’s intrinsic business value at $400 to $500 million just as we did. And its $100 million stock market valuation was published daily for all to see. Our advantage, was attitude: we had learned from Ben Graham that the key to successful investing was the purchase of shares in good businesses when market prices were at a large discount from underlying business values.

Through 1973 and 1974, WPC continued to do fine as a business, and intrinsic value grew. Nevertheless, by yearend 1974 our WPC holding showed a loss of about 25%, with market value at $8 million against our cost of $10.6 million. What we had thought ridiculously cheap a year earlier had become cheaper as the market, marked WPC stock down to well below 20 cents on the dollar of intrinsic value.

Through 1973 and 1974, WPC continued to do fine as a business, and intrinsic value grew. Nevertheless, by yearend 1974 our WPC holding showed a loss of about 25%, with market value at $8 million against our cost of $10.6 million. What we had thought ridiculously cheap a year earlier had become cheaper as the market, marked WPC stock down to well below 20 cents on the dollar of intrinsic value.

Berkshire will someday again have opportunities to deploy major amounts of cash in equity markets -- we are confident of that. But, as the song goes, "Who knows where or when?" Meanwhile, if anyone starts explaining to you what is going on in the truly-manic portions of this "enchanted" market, you might remember still another line of song: "Fools give you reasons, wise men never try."

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The market initially showed that Buffett was wrong!

Buffett's stake in Washington Post saw him losing as much as 25% of his stake. However, as a student of Ben Graham, Buffett used his advantage, his attitude , he knew he is right because his reasoning his right and that sometimes the manic Mr.Market might not agree with him.

"In the short-run, the market is a voting machine - reflecting a voter-registration test that requires only money, not intelligence or emotional stability - but in the long-run, the market is a weighing machine."

"In the short-run, the market is a voting machine - reflecting a voter-registration test that requires only money, not intelligence or emotional stability - but in the long-run, the market is a weighing machine."

Time is the friend of the wonderful business, the enemy of the mediocre.

The wonderful business.... Washington Post Company, WPO , last traded at USD758.00.

Berkshire's total shares of 1,727,765 shares is now worth 1.309 BILLION.

Berkshire's initial share purchase, which carried an initial paper loss of over 25% or a lost of over 2 million dollars, was worth around 11 million. This 11 million dollars investment made in 1973 is now worth 1.309 billion some 33 years later!

And for those that's interested, this works to an annual compounded return of 15.58% over 33 years, which is very, very impressive. A good example of the wonderful business.

And this is a great example that if one is really dead sure of one's own reasoning, then one should never be affraid if Mr.Market reacts against one's stock investment. Remember, you are right because your own reasoning is right!

But... but... but...

And again, investing is never all that easy. It does get complicated at times.

And the main issue is simply, how dead sure is one's own reasonings?

Think about it.

We are never anywhere close to be the super investor that Warren Buffett is! And also the quality and the durable competitive advantage of our listed stocks is simply not as comparable to what Warren Buffett had invested in. Put it this way, the Washington Posts, the great Coca-cola's, the Gilletes, the H&R Blocks are not listed in our stock exchange. Here, we are very much subjected to stuff like earning cycles and even changes in the fortune cycle in which so-called good companies turning bad for one reason or another.

Hence, we are quite likely to make occassional mistakes in our stock investments, in regardless if whether the fault lies in our own stock selection method or not.

So forget this not. This 'right reasoning to stay invested' thingy is pretty darn complex and could be a deadly value destructor in our stock investments if we fail to accept that perhaps our own judgement could be faulty at times!!

So sometimes, if and when the market go against us, we just have to ask ourselves this question: "What if we are simply wrong?"

Friday, June 06, 2008

Don't Get Wiped Out By Our Investment Mistakes!

It has been mentioned far too many times that when you 'play' the share market you need to pay tuition fees. And by making mistakes is how one learns to be better in the share market.

Pay to learn is what they teach you.

But if one pays too much and too often, isn't there a chance one might just quit the game? Who wants to lose all the time? And if one quits, what about all the tuition fees paid?

Or what if one pays so often that it wipes one out financially?

Ah, for me, this is why limiting the cost of one’s mistakes simply paramount to one’s financial health.

And one does that by learning from one's mistakes and better still, we try to learn from other people's mistakes.

Making a wrong judgment is so easy.

Remember always, we are just normal investors, normal investors who would always make mistakes!

So what is a wrong judgment?

Say you invest in a stock and the simple reason is that you expect it to be making more money each year. Now, upon studying the evidence given to us via the current quarterly earnings announcements, we discover that the company is not making more money but instead it is making so much less money each quarter. You expected the company to make more money this year but it did not. Instead, the company's earnings have declined drastically.

Doesn't this mean we are wrong?

Look at it, for whatever reasons, the stock's earnings are not growing but instead its earnings are declining.

Do we want to admit we are wrong or do we take a self-denial approach and give ourselves personal satisfaction by insisting that we are still correct?

And perhaps we would take extreme measures such as finding various (wrong) reasoning to justify to ourselves that it wasn't us that were wrong but it was due to some unforeseen circumstances beyond our control that made our stock selection not correct for the time being.

But hang on a minute here.

Whether it was us that were wrong or not, it matters not, we are still holding on the ticket(s) to a stock whose earnings are declining drastically. And the market it compounds the matter worse by punishing the stock via heavy selling. How? Do we want to be in a situation where we get punished so drastically that it wipes us out of the game? No possible?

Or do we want to live in a delusional world and cheat ourself by insisting that a a paper loss is NOT a loss?

Or how about we invest in a stock because the company is making a massive plant expansion and through our own reasoning, we believe this plant expansion should reward us handsomely. Well, that is a valid reasoning to invest in a stock. But what if the plant expansion runs into massive problems?

Not possible?

Such as, we did not foresee a drastic increase in borrowings to finance the plant. Or for some reason or another, the plant is still not completed. Or when the plant is completed, the economics of the product which the plant produces changes drastically? For example, the product could go out of favor or the product faces new intense competition by other plants or perhaps a new substitute product has been accepted by the market.

Cutting it short, what if this plant expansion is not going to be as rewarding as what we ass-u-me it would be?

Isn't it not possible?

Isn't it possible that we could have a brand new plant but insufficient business to cover the cost of this investment to build the new plant?

How? Once again we are wrong!

We had bet the plant would deliver but it did not happen. Is the best move to accept that our speculation that the new plant would bring more profit is simply wrong? Or do want to take the self-denial approach by hoping that the fortune of the plant would improve in the future? Ah, it is possible but look at what we are doing. Instead of investing, we are now hoping that the market would correct our investment mistake. What if we are not lucky enough? Would the market punish us by wiping us of the game?

Remember if we are really wrong, and no matter how much longer we wait, we are still wrong!

In the share market mistakes costs us money.

So how big a mistake do you want to make? And how costly a mistake do you want to make?

Don't we want to make sure that our mistakes don't wipe us out?

Remember the idea is to find ways of controlling our risk so that, if we are wrong, we don't get killed.

Look at the greatest investor of them all, Warren Buffett. Even he devotes a lot of time on the issue of mistakes.

There was a wonderful compilation of Warren Buffett's sayings done by Bud Labitan called "The Warren Buffett Business Factors" but unfortunately the link I had recorded is broken. In it, there was this one section which was devoted to Warren Buffett's mistakes!

Now think about it... if the great legendary investor acknowledges and admits to his mistakes... what about us, the average mistakes?

Aren't we but normal buggers who are even more likely to make investing mistakes? How?

Anyway here's some comments on some of the stuff written.

Some Mistakes

To quote Robert Benchley, "Having a dog teaches a boy fidelity, perseverance, and to turn around three times before lying down." Such are the shortcomings of experience. Nevertheless, it is a good idea to review past mistakes before committing new ones. So let's take a quick look at the past.

==> Review the past before committing new ones! Do we want to be repeating the same mistakes over and over again?

If a man didn't make mistakes he'd own the world in a month. But if he didn't profit by his mistakes he wouldn't own a blessed thing. - - Edwin Lefevre - Reminiscenes of a Stock Operator.

My first mistake was in buying control of Berkshire. Though I knew its business – textile manufacturing - to be unpromising, I was enticed to buy because the price looked cheap. Stock purchases of that kind had proved reasonably rewarding in my early years, though by the time Berkshire came along in 1965 I was becoming aware that the strategy was not ideal.

==> Hmmm....The folly of buying a stock solely because of the price factor!

If you buy a stock at a sufficiently low price, there will usually be some hiccup in the fortunes of the business that gives you a chance to unload at a decent profit, even though the long-term performance of the business may be terrible. I call this the "cigar butt" approach to investing. A cigar butt found on the street that has only one puff left in it may not offer much of a smoke, but the "bargain purchase" will make that puff all profit.

Unless you are a liquidator, that kind of approach to buying businesses is foolish.

First, the original "bargain" price probably will not turn out to be such a steal after all. In a difficult business, no sooner is one problem solved than another surfaces - never is there just one cockroach in the kitchen.

==> how true? In a bad business, the problems, the bad lucks, they are usually endless! Yes?

Second, any initial advantage you secure will be quickly eroded by the low return that the business earns. For example, if you buy a business for $8 million that can be sold or liquidated for $10 million and promptly take either course, you can realize a high return. The investment will disappoint if the business is sold for $10 million in ten years and in the interim has annually earned and distributed only a few percent on cost. Time is the friend of the wonderful business, the enemy of the mediocre.

==> Ahh also refer to The Lousy Business

I could give you other personal examples of "bargain-purchase" folly but I'm sure you get the picture: It's far better to buy a wonderful company at a fair price than a fair company at a wonderful price. Charlie understood this early; I was a slow learner. Now, when buying companies or common stocks, we look for first-class businesses accompanied by first-class managements.

That leads right into a related lesson:

Good jockeys will do well on good horses, but not on broken-down nags. Both Berkshire's textile business and Hochschild, Kohn had able and honest people running them. The same managers employed in a business with good economic characteristics would have achieved fine records. But they were never going to make any progress while running in quicksand.

==> Ahh.. when the business economics of a business is lousy, it does not matter which 5-star manager is running and managing the business?!

I've said many times that when a management with a reputation for brilliance tackles a business with a reputation for bad economics, it is the reputation of the business that remains intact. After many years of buying and supervising a great variety of businesses, Charlie and I have not learned how to solve difficult business problems.

What we have learned is to avoid them.

To the extent we have been successful, it is because we concentrated on identifying one-foot hurdles that we could step over rather than because we acquired any ability to clear seven-footers.

The finding may seem unfair, but in both business and investments, it is usually far more profitable to simply stick with the easy and obvious than it is to resolve the difficult.

On occasion, tough problems must be tackled as was the case when we started our Sunday paper in Buffalo.

In other instances, a great investment opportunity occurs when a marvelous business encounters a one-time huge, but solvable, problem as was the case many years back at both American Express and GEICO. Overall, however, we've done better by avoiding dragons than by slaying them.

==> The very last line.. Warren reckons it's much better avoiding dragons than by slaying them!!!

And of course, the studying of the mistakes are so important Blogged last month, Mistakes

The Study of Mistakes

My pal Charlie has always emphasized the study of mistakes rather than successes, both in business and other aspects of life. He does so in the spirit of the man who said: “All I want to know is where I’m going to die so I’ll never go there.” You’ll immediately see why we make a good team: Charlie likes to study errors and I have generated ample material for him, particularly in our textile and insurance businesses. Irrespective of titles, Charlie and I work as partners in managing all controlled companies. We enjoy our work as managing partners. And we enjoy having you as our financial partners.

And one of the most quoted Buffett's saying:

To Win, first thing to do is not to lose. - Warren E. Buffett

Is the Study of Mistakes any different for traders? Take these famous quotes:

There is nothing like losing all you have in the world for teaching you what not to do. And when you know what not to do in order not to lose money, you begin to learn what to do in order to win. Did you get that? You begin to learn!

If a man didn't make mistakes he'd own the world in a month. But if he didn't profit by his mistakes he wouldn't own a blessed thing.

If i learned all this so slowly it was because i learned by my mistakes, and some time always elapses between making a mistake and realizing it, and more time between realizing it and exactly determining it.

I was wrong; and the only thing to do when a man is wrong is to be right by ceasing to be wrong.

Losing money is the least of my troubles. A loss never bothers me after i take it. I forget it overnight. But being wrong - not taking the loss - that is what does the damage to the pocketbook and to the soul.

The recognition of our own mistakes should not benefit us any more than the study of our successes. But there is a natural tendency in all men to avoid punishment. When you associate certain mistakes with a liking, you do not hanker for a second dose, and, of course, all stock market mistakes wound you in two tender spots - your pocketbook and your vanity. But i will tell you something curious: A stock speculator sometimes make mistakes and knows that he is making them. And after he makes them; and after thinking over it cold bloodedly a long time after the pain of punishment is over he may learn how he make them, and when, and at what particular point of his trade; but not why. And he simply calls himself names and let it go at that.

Of course, if a man is both wise and lucky, he will not make the mistake twice. But he will make any of the ten thousand brothers or cousins of the original. The Mistake family is so large that there is always one of them around when you want to see what you can do in the fool-play line


-- Edwin Lefevre - Reminiscenes of a Stock Operator.


Or perhaps O'Neil's famous 19! (see Canslim: 19 )

I think this is the biggest thing for one to learn: Many people don’t admit even when they made a mistake(s).

When one does not admit that they have made the mistake in their stock selections, be it in investing or trading, then the mistake will just compound on itself, doesn't it?

The stubborn trader will most likely end up making the same mistake, over and over again, right?

And for the stubborn investor? Not admitting their mistake in their stock selection will turn their investment into a buy and hope.

Imagine one growing an mango tree. Once the mango bear nuthin' but sour mangoes, does it make sense to do nothing and hope the tree would one day bear sweet and juicy mangoes? Doesn't it make more sense to admit one's mistake? Perhaps it was in one's planting, care & maintenance of the tree. But what if fault simply lies in the initial mango seed?

And the classical investment teaching teaches us that investment takes time to bear fruit. But if the initial seed used was to plant our investment was poor, doesn't it make sense for us to admit the mistake? Be the man. Be the woman. Admit our mistake. And move on.

Else.... well simple. Say one is stubborn. Twenty years past. Couple of bull markets came and gone. And our end result? A miserable below average returns for a twenty year investment. How? Wait for another bull market?

So remember, one could easily make a mistake in one's stock selection. Recognising, admitting and then correcting the mistake is the only right thing to do!

Do remember this one famous teaching again!


It takes a man a long time to learn all the lessons of all his mistakes!


Thursday, June 05, 2008

The Three Basic Investing Idea that Warren Buffett Needed To Be Successful!

(Continuing on the wonderful compilation of Warren Buffett's sayings done by Bud Labitan called "The Warren Buffett Business Factors" but unfortunately the link I had recorded is broken.)

Three basic ideas of Intelligent Investing

1. That you should look at stocks as part Ownership of a business,

2. That you should look at market fluctuations in terms of his "Mr. Market" example and make them your friend rather than your enemy by essentially profiting from folly rather than participating in it, and finally,

3. The three most important words in investing are "Margin of safety" - which Ben talked about in his last chapter of "The Intelligent Investor" always building a 15,000 pound bridge if you're going to be driving 10,000 pound trucks across it.

I think those three ideas 100 years from now will still be regarded as the three cornerstones of sound investment. And that's what Ben was all about. He wasn't about brilliant investing. He wasn't about fads or fashion. He was about sound investing. And what's nice is that sound investing can make you very wealthy if you're not in too big a hurry. And it never makes you poor - which is even better. So I think that it comes down to those ideas - although they sound so simple and commonplace that it kind of seems like a waste to go to school and get a Ph.D. in Economics and have it all come back to that. It's a little like spending eight years in divinity school and having somebody tell you that the ten commandments were all that counted. There is a certain natural tendency to overlook anything that simple and important. But those are the important ideas. And they will still be the important ideas 100 years from now. And we will owe them to Ben.

In Berkshire's investments, Charlie and I have employed the principles taught by Dave Dodd and Ben Graham. I think the best book on investing ever written is "The Intelligent Investor" by Ben Graham. Ben wrote "Investment is most intelligent when it is most businesslike." I learned from Ben that the key to successful investing was the purchase of shares in good businesses when market prices were at a large discount from underlying business values. Ben identified this "margin of safety" in bargain purchasing as the cornerstone of intelligent investing. He wrote: "Confronted with a challenge to distill the secret of sound investment into three words, we venture the motto, Margin of Safety." Years after reading that, I still think those are the right three words. And, the failure of investors to heed this simple message caused them staggering losses.

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Smart investing requires 3 basic ideas, the three basic ideas of Intelligent Investing.

Buffett makes it sound so easy and I do agree very much it is very easy but more often than not, it is us, the average investors, that makes investing so very difficult and complicated for ourselves!

1. Investing in the stock market requires one to use the part ownership perspective when one invests in a stock.

Ah, the Business Like Investing mentioned in Investing In What We Know and Business Like Investing.

Think about it again.

This is what's intelligent investing or perhaps I should call it as commonsense investing all about!

Think about it again.

Who would be insane to want to own a lousy business? For example, if you see a company's profit margin declining each single quarter, using commonsense thinking, doesn't this decline in profit margin suggests that perhaps intense competition could be eating into the company's profit? Or perhaps the management isn't capable to be delivering profits back to the shareholders? Remember as the minority shareholder or investor, your 'share' of profits is derived from how much the company declares its earnings per share. And worse still, the management is being paid by the company and not you. So if the profit or the profit margin is declining isn't it a sign of a lousy business? What else is there to argue?

So from a business perspective, would you want to own a struggling lousy business? Or would it make more sense to own an excellent business?

2. Mr.Market.

Ben Graham and Mr.Market

Ben Graham taught me that the key to successful investing was the purchase of shares in good businesses when market prices were at a large discount from underlying business values. The true investor welcomes volatility. Ben Graham explained this in Chapter 8 of The Intelligent Investor. There he introduced "Mr. Market," an obliging fellow who shows up every day to either buy from you or sell to you, whichever you wish. The more manic-depressive this chap is, the greater the opportunities available to the investor. That's true because a wildly fluctuating market means that irrationally low prices will periodically be attached to solid businesses. It is impossible to see how the availability of such prices can be thought of as increasing the hazards for an investor who is totally free to either ignore the market or exploit its folly.

Ben Graham told a story 40 years ago that illustrates why investment professionals behave as they do: An oil prospector, moving to his heavenly reward, was met by St. Peter with bad news. “You’re qualified for residence”, said St. Peter, “but, as you can see, the compound reserved for oil men is packed. There’s no way to squeeze you in.” After thinking a moment, the prospector asked if he might say just four words to the present occupants. That seemed harmless to St. Peter, so the prospector cupped his hands and yelled, “Oil discovered in hell.” Immediately the gate to the compound opened and all of the oil men marched out to head for the nether regions. Impressed, St. Peter invited the prospector to move in and make himself comfortable. The prospector paused. “No,” he said, “I think I’ll go along with the rest of the boys. There might be some truth to that rumor after all.”

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:D

This classical tale of Dr. Jekyll and Mr.Market was told mentioned in Ben Graham's investment classic book The Intelligent Investor. (Chapter 8).

But the one version that I liked is retold by Mary Buffett in her book The New Buffettology.

Benjamin Graham introduced Mr.Market to Warren. (see page 34)

Mr.Market had an interesting personality trait that some days allowed him to see only the wonderful things about the business. This, of course, made him wildly enthusiastic about the world and the business's prospects. On other days, he couldn't see past the negative aspects of the business, which, of course, made him overly pessimistic about the world and the immediate future of the businesses.

Mr.Market also had another quirk. Every morning he tried to sell you his interest in the business. On days he was wildly enthusiastic about the immediate future of the business, he asked for a high selling price. On doom-and-gloom days, when he was overly pessimistic about the immediate future of the business, he quoted you a low selling price hoping that you will be foolish enough to take the troubled business of his hands.

One other thing, Mr.Market doesn't mind if you don't pay any attention to him. He shows up to work every day - rain, sheet, or snow - ready and willing to sell you his half of the business, the price depending entirely on his mood. You are free to ignore him or take up on his offer. Regardless of what you do, he will be back tomorrow with a new quote.

If you think that the long-term prospects for the business are good and would like to own the entire business, when do you take Mr.Market on his offer?

When he is wildly enthusiastic and quoting you a really high price?

Or when he feels pessimistic and quotes you a very low price?

Obviously you buy when Mr.Market is feeling pessimistic about the immediate future of the business, because that's when you get the best price.

Graham added one more twist. He thought Warren that Mr.Market was there to benefit him, not to guide him.

You should be interested only in the price that Mr.Market is quoting you, not his thoughts on what the business is worth.

In fact, listening to his erratic thinking could be financially disastrous to you. Either you will become overly enthusiastic about the business and pay too much for it, or you become overly pessimistic and miss taking advantage of Mr.Market's insanely low selling price.

Warren says that, to this day, he still likes to imagine himself being in business with Mr.Market. To his delight he has found that Mr.Market still has his eye on the short term and is still manic-depressive about what businesses are worth.


Warren has discovered that to take advantage of the market's pessimistic shortsightedness, he must invest in companies whose economics will allow them to survive and prosper beyond the negative news that creates a great buying opportunity.

To do this Warren has to make sure that the company in which he is investing is not only intrinsically sound enterprise, but also has the economic ability to excel and earn fantastic profits. Warren isn't interested in the traditional contrarian investor approach of bottom picking.

Only by selectively picking the cream of the crop is he able to recover, but continue upward.


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Mr. Market is there to benefit and not to guide!!

:D

Ever think of the share market in this perspective?

These investment gurus are teaching us that that our investment decision should never be influenced by the current share market price (what Mr. Market is quoting you) and definitely not his thoughts on what the business is worth.
Do not let your investment decisions be influenced by the drops in share prices and conversely do not be influenced by rises in share prices.

And this is where it does get complicated. No joke!

In Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway's
1997 Annual Report * , Buffett remarked the following:

We ordinarily make no attempt to buy equities favourable short-term price behavior. In fact, if the business experience continues to satisfy us, we welcome lower prices as an opportunity to acquire even more of a good thing.

The very last part of what he said, "we welcome lower prices as an opportunity..".


And in my opinion, this is something, like the buy-hold thingy, which is usually badly misconstrued by the investing public.

For they abused this simple teaching and erroneously incorporate lower prices as the main reason to buy a stock.

But if one takes the effort to re-read what Buffett is saying here, the lower prices is an opportunity to acquire even more of a good thing, if and only if the business experience continues to satisfy us. Meaning to say, the underlying business economics of the stock must still be good.

Imagine what could go wrong if one uses falling prices as a buying opportunity.

Well... think about why stock prices fall drastically first.

Isn't there something wrong in the business that caused investors of the stock to dump the stock and head for the exit? Take the recent dramatic drop of Green Packet as an example. For sure, the share price has dropped so drastically. But is it really a buying opportunity because of this huge drop in share price? Now if the business does not improve and gets worse, and in Green Packet's case, what if the recent losses continue to snowball? Isn't it logical to say that there is a good possibility that the share price could even go down lower? Would one dare to discount such a risk?

Which is why investing is so complicated and so risky! And it is really difficult for the average investor to distinguish between a temporary setback in a company's business with a real deterioration of a business.

The winners are those that managed to pick out stocks with GOOD underlying business economics but due to some unforeseen circumstances faced temporary setbacks in their share price (like due to depressed market sentiments) will be rewarded with fame and glory.

The losers? The losers are those who purchased a stock solely because they ass-u-med that the stock is cheap due to their low share prices. They failed to realise that the stock is cheap because the business is simply failing! And with the market being very unforgiving to such stocks, their stock investment would be punished severely. Things like falling profit margins, diminishing market share of a company product, company burning up cash faster than it generates, rising loans, rising inventories, rising receivable issues are clear distinctive signs that there is something drastically wrong with the business. (Remember Megan?)

And if such a stock experiences a huge drastic drop in their share price, like they say, why be a hero in a hard place?

Why ask for trouble? Isn't avoiding the share a smarter and more logical reasoning?

Forget this not... NOT all lower prices equates to buying opportunities! So do not be fooled by Mr.Market!

Yeah.. some would argue... no risk no gain dude... but do consider this... risking a lot to gain a little pales in comparison to risking a little to gain a lot!


3. Margin of Safety.

One of the better comments I have read about this margin of safety was posted in the Wallstraits forum, which I had compiled it under this blog posting :Ze Compilation

The margin of safety must be sufficient.

I learnt the hard way that the margin of safety can only be sufficient when there are multiple criteria for investment.

An excellent profit margin, an efficient management, stupendous growth potential, a good dividend policy and a low price are individually insufficient to justify an investment decision.

They should all be present to some degree, but more importantly, strength in one area cannot offset weakness in another.

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This was posted under a posting thread themed Investment Mistakes. And I find it so educational (and of course very profitable) to learn from other people's mistakes.

The very key word for me is the second sentence, "individually insufficient" to justify an investment decision.

Take for example, if you see a company reporting some stellar net profit growth. That might trigger us to want to invest in it, right? However, upon our study of the company, what if we note that despite this stellar net profit growth is achieved by what they call the engineering of profits? The company borrows and borrows money to achieve an artificial turnover and net profit growth. Sacrificed in the company's bid to achieved more profits is the net profit margin. The company borrows and borrows to buy more and more machine to churn out more and more sales. However, in order to achieve this more sales, the company has to sell cheaper. Hence the lower margins. Now all this fine and dandy but what if trouble happens? For example, what if there is rise in production costs? Or perhaps would the lower sales induce an intense sales marketing war? Or what if the product runs out of favor? Or what if as they say "Not laku" anymore? How then? What about the millions spend or rather the millions borrowed to engineer this sales growth? And sadly in the end, the investor might be cursing that their margin of safety investment strategy was insufficient and because of this lack of margin of safety, it causes them staggering losses in their rather poor investment.

Let me remind myself this too:

The Margin of Safety must be sufficient and it simply cannot be compromised.

Or how about this? Say there is this fantastic company. Excellent profit margins, great profit growth, great balance sheet but the company's management/owners integrity and reputation is questionable. Now if this seemingly wonderful stock sells at a seemingly low price, do you reckon that it is wise to invest in it? Simply put, would you be willing to sacrifice the issue of trust for the sake of being a part owner in this seemingly wonderful business? How? Without trust, can one ever safely ass-u-me that one would be adequately and justly compensated for taking the risk to being a part owner in the business? Is it wise to do so? What if this owners cheats you? Not possible? Not possible that these owners embark on a corporate exercise that only enriches they, themselves and not you, the minority shareholder? How does one evaluate such risk? Or how do you evaluate a crooked company?

And the Margin Of Safety is never determined by the stock price!

So forget this not:

An excellent profit margin, an efficient management, stupendous growth potential, a good dividend policy and a low price are individually insufficient to justify an investment decision.