The Plunging Baltic Dry Index And The Dangers Of Using Forward PE!

And the Baltic Dry Index plunged yet again!

Other postings on the Baltic Dry Index:

1. Views On Current Weakness On Baltic Dry Index
2. The Collapse of the Baltic Dry Index
3. Goldman Downgrades Bulk Shippers!
4. Baltic Dry Index Keeps Falling!
5. Baltic Dry Index Stages Strong Rebound!
6. Baltic Dry Index Set For Strong Recovery???
7. Baltic Dry Index Plunges To Seven Month Lows!
8. The Baltic Dry Index Keeps On Plunging!
9. Baltic Dry Index Continues To Plunge

This morning I read a good passage loaded on Seeking Alpha on investing in the baltic dry index. It's a short investing lesson, a rather important investing lesson on using forward PE.

Anyway here is the article.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/99039-never-enough-lessons-on-forward-p-e

Never enough lessons on forward P/E, especially for cyclicals. On Tuesday, dry bulk shipper DryShips (DRYS) hit an all-time low of $21.8, down from a peak of $120, and down from the $64 back when Barron's called the Buy on the stock. Everyone is wrong at times, and being wrong for decent reasons is fine. But in a previous post in April, we outlined that we mostly took issue with Barron's completely missing some of the most important issues with dry bulk commodities transportation stocks such as DRYS, and worst of all arguing for the stock given a very low forward P/E, which was completely ridiculous given that the bulk shipping industry is prone to earnings swings of +/-80% within short, unforeseeable periods of time. The below was our previous excerpt from Barron's:

• Global trade might slow this year, but it will come back eventually, and DryShips' profits -- and shares -- should move up over the long term, even if 2008 growth turns out to be lower than Wall Street expects. At its recent quote of 64, DryShips stock was trading at a price/earnings ratio of 3.5 times consensus analyst earnings estimates of $18.18 a share this year and about 5 times the $12.22 forecast for 2009. DryShips also trades at a more than 50% discount to its peers, although rivals generally seek long-term contracts, which are less volatile.

And then our following criticism.

• This article fails to mention that dry bulk spot rates are extremely volatile and forecasting where they will go is subject to massive room for estimation error, even for industry veterans. Thus forward P/E can be very deceptive and is a silly way to look at the companies. Last year Clarksons research surveyed a large collection of readers to forecast where rates would go in 2007 and EVERYONE was wrong by a large margin. (they spiked massively) They can also spike massively downward in the same fashion... If forward earnings ends up being 80% lower, which historically isn't a crazy notion at all if you look at a rate chart, your P/E will be 5x what you thought it was. Thus using forward P/E is pretty silly given its forecast error range is so wide as to be near meaningless.
  

What Now After World Rates Cut?

World markets had its World CuT ( I actually would prefer calling it World Cup 2008!) last night and of course the main question that a lot of folks want to ask is exactly what Chris Puplava had written in his market wrap, Are We There Yet?

Before we focus on what Chris had written, let's look at some short notes from CNBC's Bob Pisani.

• What an interesting trading day. Four observations:
  
  1) Markets rallied midday on comments from Mr. Trichet in Europe-he said they would "take appropriate decisions at any time." Traders interpret this to mean that Mr. Trichet is now clearly in the rate cut camp, and to providing "unlimited" liquidity. This is a big turnaround: Trichet turns dovish.
  
  2) Stock traders are fixed on the bond market, as traders want to believe that today's huge selloff in bonds means that the flight to quality trade is ending.
  
  This would be a big psychological boost, because stock traders want to believe this is a sign the credit markets might be in the process of unfreezing.
  
  3) We are so oversold, and there has been so much money lost, that a small but significant minority of professional traders are now LONG the market--they are standing in the bleachers cheering like crazy, because for them it is ALL IN time.
  
  There is a larger group--half of all traders--sitting on the sidelines waiting for some sign of a tradeable bottom. They do not have it yet, but that minority that is long is trying desperately to get the uncommitted group in.
  
  4) The most important development is the coordinated global action. First U.S. federal agencies began coordinating activities, then other countries began active intervention, now there is GLOBAL COORDINATION. Consider that we have had, in less than a week:
  
  --a UK bailout,
  --Fed buying commercial paper,
  --a Spanish TARP,
  --coordinated rate cuts,
  --deposit guarantees in Europe,
  --a banking sector support plan in Russia.
  
  Merrill Lynch's economist, Alex Patelis, summed it up best: "Unless we are assuming that global policy makers are incompetent, they will sooner or later get it right."
  
  Source: http://www.cnbc.com/id/27088304

Now let's look at what Chris had written.

• I still maintain that the markets will not bottom until next year and that the current recession we are in will likely not end until the second half of 2009. A brief explanation of these views from last week’s article is given below:
  
  Market & Economic Snapshot
  So there you have it. Credit markets remain frozen, the Federal Reserve is dropping B-52 dollar bombs (devaluing our currency), household net worth is declining, incomes are falling, and jobs are being lost to the tune of over a half million year-to-date. The economic tanker is clearly in recessionary waters that will not be calming until at least next year. What the Federal Reserve and government do from here will decide the depth and duration of the current recession but make no mistake, an economic recovery will not take place until next year as the economy will not turn on a dime.
  
  As such, any market bounce produced from reaction to the bailout legislation passing or some other government action will fade as quarterly earnings misses (losses), job losses, rising unemployment, and falling consumption reports come in. SELL STRENGTH!
  
  I have had a very pessimistic tone over the last few months and have likely depressed many readers. The chief reason was to help protect reader’s capital by staying out of the markets and using rallies to exit if one was still invested. Today’s WrapUp will be a bit more balanced as I will show that we are still not at “THE” bottom but rather at or near “A” bottom, as well as show the light at the end of the tunnel. Central banks are now acting in a coordinated fashion by lowering interest rates globally, and the markets crashing over the past two weeks means that we are likely at or near an intermediate-term bottom in the markets. Nothing goes down or up indefinitely as the 2000-2003 bear market showed us with several double-digit counter trend rallies, and we are due for one now as the current sell off is long in the tooth.
  
  While we are overdue for a corrective bounce we still have not seen the end to the current bear market. Valuations are still not near lows seen in previous bear markets, and historical intermarket timelines and relationships show that a bottom in the markets in the here and now is far too early relative to the state of the economy to be signaling “THE” bottom. Market participants would be looking past a very long and dark valley indeed if this is to be the bottom.

And yes Chri reckons that the current valuations are way too high!

• Valuations Still Too High
  In a late August WrapUp (The Worst is Yet to Come) I showed how analyst estimates for the S&P 500 were far too high and likely to fall significantly as corporate profit margins still remain near historical highs and with analyst accuracy near 16 year lows (Analysts’ Accuracy on U.S. Profits Worst in 16 Years). As such, I have looked at previous bear market bottoms (using 15%+ to define a bear market) and used the trailing price-to-earnings ratio (PE) using the previous twelve months of earnings rather than the leading PE ratio that uses suspect forward analyst earnings estimates......

And yes Chris also believes that US could be in for a 'deeper recession'..

• Historical Cycles
  Not only do valuations point to a final bottom months out, so too does the historical precedent of the stock market’s bottom in relation to economic variables. I believe the economy is entering deeper into a recession that is not likely to end until next year as multiple economic variables show below. For instance, the year-over-year (YOY) rate of change in nonfarm employment typically peaks 15 months prior to the onset of a recession and bottoms two months AFTER a recession has ended. With the employment YOY rate of change still plunging it is not likely that the recession is to end any time soon.

Chris then continues..

• If the recession is not likely to end until next year, looking at the relationship between stock market bottoms and recession conclusions will show that it is too soon for a current bottom in the stock market. It is common knowledge that the markets serve as discounting mechanisms and so stock markets typically peak prior to the onset of a recession and bottom prior to a recession’s end. Over the last forty years, the S&P 500 has peaked six months prior to the onset of a recession and bottoms five months prior to a recession’s end. The market has followed the historical average by peaking six months prior to the current unofficial recession that is likely to have started in January of this year.
  
  

Ah.. watch for the bear market rallies!!

• If I am correct that we are near an intermediate bottom in the stock market, and that the stock market is not likely to bottom until the first half of next year, then all is not lost. Bear market counter-trend rallies typically lead to double-digit advances that can allow investors to sell into to regain some of their capital that has been lost over the prior months. Raising cash and sitting tight until next year should allow one to enter into the market at much discounted prices and experience a rally off the conclusion to a bear market, which are typically explosive.

And his advice..

• Selling into an intermediate corrective bounce should help investors regain some of the capital that has been lost recently. I believe sitting tight until reinvesting in an eventual market bottom next year will go a long way in returning an investor’s capital back to pre 2008 levels, more so if one invests in tomorrow’s best bargains. Going forward, the above mentioned economic indicators that typically herald an end to recessions will be monitored closely. New developments over the course of the remainder of the year will help fine tune my forward estimates for the likely outcome in 2009. Stay tuned.

I've only highlighted some passages written by Chris. Do read the rest of his article in full here

And yes, I very much agree with what's said about Larry Kudlow. Out of all the folks at CNBC, I find him even more repulsive than Cramer! But hey, this is my personal opinion.

Global Rate Cut!!!

Holy Cow!!!!

Central banks cut interest rates

• Six central banks - including the Bank of England - have cut their interest rates by half a percentage point.
  
  The UK rate move - which had not been expected until Thursday - puts the interest rate at 4.5% from 5%.
  
  The US Federal Reserve has cut rates from 2% to 1.5% and the European Central Bank (ECB) trimmed its rate from 4.25% to 3.75%.
  
  The unprecedented step is aimed at steadying a faltering global economy and slumping stock markets.
  
  The central banks of Canada and Sweden and Switzerland all took similar action in the co-ordinated move.
  
  China also cut its rate, but by 0.27 percentage points.
  
  European financial markets reacted well, pulling back some of the losses seen earlier on Wednesday.
  
  The last time the Bank of England cut rates in a special meeting was on 18 September 2001 - when rates came down from 5% to 4.75%.
  
  'Bold and decisive'
  
  The announcement came hours after the UK government unveiled plans for a £50bn rescue plan for UK banks.
  
  In the UK, some mortgage lenders immediately passed on the rate cut to borrowers - trimming their variable rates.
  
  Responding to the interest rate cut, UK manufacturers' group the EEF welcomed the " bold and decisive move" it hoped would "arrest the current crisis and collapse in confidence".
  
  "Coupled with the plan to shore up the financial system today's co-ordinated moves should help arrest the potential slide into depression," said the EEF's chief economist Steve Radley.
  
  And analyst Peter Warburton of Economic Perspectives said the rate cut was "fully justified by the depth of the economic crisis that the UK is now facing".
  
  "It has taken far too long for the government and the Bank of England to recognise the scale of threat posed by the seizing up of the credit system," he said.
  
  'Strong support'
  
  The Federal Reserve said that it had acted "in light of evidence pointing to a weakening of economic activity and a reduction in inflationary pressures".
  
  And the ECB said it had felt able to act because "inflationary pressures have started to moderate in a number of countries, partly reflecting a marked decline in energy and other commodity prices".
  
  Although it did not cut its own rate - which is just 0.5% - the Bank of Japan expressed its "strong support" of the policy.

And many thanks to this global plunge protection effort.. the markets turned for the better.. for now!

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Some comments: From CNBC's Bob Pisani

• After closing at 1029, S&P Futures traded as low as 962 until the early morning, then rallied to as high as 1043 when the coordinated rate cut of half a point was announced, then moved all the way back down.
  
  Simply put, the S&P futures moved 8 percent in 4 hours. The hope is that burgeoning coffers, and a rare coordinated rate cut will finally get banks lending again.
  
  While most traders welcomed the cut, there were many who complained about the TIMING. This camp has been waiting--and waiting--for a huge down open on big volume. Never mind that the S&P 500 has dropped 100 points in the past three days--this apparently was not alarming enough for this crowd.
  
  Today, they thought, was the day it would have happened. If the Fed ONLY WOULD HAVE WAITED UNTIL NOON--after the market opened down big--we could have had a Clean Uncontested Reversal.
  
  The Fed, to this crowd, has thwarted this, so now we have Yet Another Muddled Short-Term Bottom. They are still waiting for the Big Washout.

Source: http://www.cnbc.com/id/27082904

Some comments from Kathy

• We have been literally begging the Federal Reserve, the European Central Bank and the Bank of England to work together to stem the bleed in equities and they have finally done it (What is the Fed Waiting For? And Panic Selling in FX Begs Coordinated Easing). For the first time since Sept 2001, central banks around the world have delivered a coordinated interest rate cut. Coming 2 days before the G7 meeting and 1 day before the ECB interest rate decision, their move sends a strong message to market that the central banks are holding nothing back in their attempt to unlock the credit markets, stabilize the stock market and stimulate growth.
  
  Given that the Bank of Japan stood aside, the move is bearish for USD/JPY. However the impact on the Euro and British pound is limited because the interest rate differentials between those currencies and the US dollar remain unchanged. Unprecedented is the buzz word in the financial markets these days and today’s rate cuts were nothing short of that.
  
  Unfortunately despite an initial rally in stocks, equities have given back all of their gains as investors believe that the actions by the central banks are too little too late. This is undoubtedly the right move for the central banks, but the right time to have made the rate cuts was last Friday after the TARP approval. Stocks continue to sell off because this has not solved the funding issue. The LIBOR - OIS (Overnight Index Swap) rate hit a record high indicating that credit is still tight. The Reserve Bank of Australia’s full percentage point rate cut earlier this week has raised the bar.
  
  Source: http://www.kathylien.com/site/japanese-yen/coordinated-interest-rate-cuts-too-little-too-late#more-1294

Prem Watsa Explains Why This Will Be A Long And Deep Recession Globally!

Oops.. and yet another dooooooooooooom posting!

Last Friday, I posted the warning from IMF: Massive Warning From IMF: US Could Head For Deep Recession

On theGlobalAndMail, legendary Canadian Investor, Prem Watsa of Fairfax Financial, states Why this slump will be 'long and deep'

• A global recession may be near, but the global bear market has already arrived, and my, what teeth it has.
  
  After yet another Monday horror show - the fourth in a row in which the Dow Jones industrial average dropped at least 300 points - every one of the world's major equity markets has shed at least one-quarter of its value so far in 2008.
  
  On the bright side, when it's this bad, how much worse could it get?
  
  Much, much worse, says one of the few investors who has prospered in the meltdown.
  
  "Stock markets are not down 50 per cent in Canada or the United States from their highs. They've got a long ways to go down before that happens," says Prem Watsa, chairman of Fairfax Financial Holdings.
  
  Uh-oh.
  
  "We think there's a significant recession coming, long and deep. It's going to spread all across [the world] ... It's very difficult to not be caught by it."
  
  Yikes. But surely there are reasons for hope.
  
  The world's central banks have moved to Defcon 1. There's talk of a co-ordinated cut in interest rates. And don't forget about that $700-billion (U.S.) bailout for bankers.
  
  "It will be difficult for the Fed to do too much now," with the key lending rate already down to 2 per cent," Mr. Watsa says.
  
  "This $700-billion all sounds good. But they [the central bankers] have no ammo."
  
  Considering the source, this is worrisome news. A lot of people will claim they saw the credit fiasco coming, but Mr. Watsa is one of the few who can prove it.
  
  He can pull out a letter to shareholders that he wrote in 2004, in which he warned about the evils and risks of "bonds that are backed by home equity loans, automobile loans or credit card debt" and hinted that maybe the rating agencies were a tad too eager to give those bonds a triple-A gold star. Or he can just point to the Fairfax bank account, flush with the proceeds of a large and highly profitable bet on a financial nuclear winter. Fairfax has turned a $1.65-billion (U.S.) profit from buying and selling credit default swaps - a form of credit insurance, essentially - and was sitting on another $447-million in gains from those investments, as of Sept. 19.
  
  So, when he speaks of recession and credit catastrophes, it's time to listen.
  
  Do not expect that a sharp contraction in the economy will purge the toxic debt and bring on a quick recovery, Mr. Watsa says. The Great Unwinding is the end of "a 20-year phenomenon of excess optimism ... so I don't think we should expect it [to be over in] six months."
  
  The bailout, passed last week by the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President George W. Bush, may help. But it could prove to be a mixed blessing. As the program begins to buy unwanted mortgage debt from banks, it will establish new (and probably low) market prices for that debt, which means the stuff that remains on financial balance sheets will have to be marked down, too. So expect a new round of writeoffs and pain in the banking system. "It's not easy to solve," he says, "other than [with] time."
  
  Fairfax remains positioned for worse times to come. Seventy per cent of the company's investment portfolio is cash and government bonds. The parent company has $1.1-billion in cash and securities as of the end of June, but Mr. Watsa has no plans to spend very much of it - not even picking over the remains of insurance rival American International Group, which is being disassembled by the U.S. government, though Fairfax may try to buy some AIG "crumbs."
  
  This much is certain: He's in no rush to buy stocks. Sure, sometimes a desperate seller comes to Mr. Watsa with an offer that just can't be refused - as an Australian agrifood company just did, selling Fairfax a majority stake in its Canadian subsidiary for less than its balance-sheet value.
  
  But in the bigger scheme of things, this is no buying opportunity in the equity markets. There's not enough despair yet, little sense of capitulation. When will that day come? "You'll know about it when no one here is optimistic, perhaps including us. You'll know when there's no expectation of a turn. We're not seeing that, by the way. Everybody's looking at the point to buy.
  
  "In September, there were redemptions [of mutual funds], significant redemptions ... But history shows you've got to have months of redemptions. That's an indication that people are losing their confidence and want to be out of the market.
  
  "You'll see the average pension fund going down to 30 per cent, 40 per cent equity allocation. ...'Stock' will be a bad word. You'll see all that for some time before you have to react."
  
  And in the meantime? Bolt the doors. Hunker down. Hoard your cash. If you owe, repay your bankers.
  
  "This is the time to be cautious in your own finances - to get out of debt, to not buy the big car you don't need," says Mr. Watsa.
  
  "This will pass. But you have to survive it."

Source: here

The Blame Game For The Financial Mess

The blame game has started.

The issues pointed out are rather valid in my opinion and if nothing is done, history will repeat itself once more!

Posted on CNN Money.

• Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government, said the executives received large bonuses that they didn't deserve. He also company officials wined and dined at posh resorts even after the government issued the company a taxpayer-funded billion credit line on Sept. 16.
  
  In prepared testimony for a committee hearing, ex-CEOs Robert Willumstad and Martin Sullivan said the rules forced AIG (AIG, Fortune 500) to take billions in writedowns and led to a downward spiral that led to the government action.
  
  Waxman put the blame for AIG's troubles squarely on its past and pesent leaders, comparing them to the former Lehman chief executive Richard Fuld, who testified on Monday about the investment bank's bankruptcy.
  
  "In each case, the companies and their executives grew rich by taking on excessive risk," said Waxman. "In each case, the companies collapsed when these risks turned bad. And in each case, their executives are walking away with millions of dollars while taxpayers are stuck with billions of dollars in costs."
  
  Waxman added, "The AIG CEOs are like the Lehman CEO in one other key respect - in each case, they refuse to accept any blame for what happened to their companies."
  
  In particular, Waxman singled out AIG's financial products division, headed by Joseph Cassano.
  
  "This (bailout) was a direct result of the mistakes made by Mr. Cassano," Waxman said. "Yet even today, he remains on the company payroll, receiving $1 million a month."
  
  Waxman also attacked company leadership for throwing a one-week retreat at the St. Regis Resort in Monarch Beach, Calif. just days after the bailout, at a cost of $440,000.
  
  "Average Americans are suffering economically. They are losing their jobs, their homes, and their health insurance," said Waxman. "Yet less than one week after the taxpayers rescued AIG, company executives could be found wining and dining at one of the most exclusive resorts in the nation."
  
  Willumstad, who was CEO from June through the September action by the Federal Reserve, said "mark to market" accounting rules - which require companies to value securities at current prices in distressed situations - forced financial institutions to book billions of dollars in losses for securities that were not in default.
  
  He said those losses led to a spiral that included debt rating downgrades.
  
  Sullivan, who was CEO from March 2005 until June, said the accounting rules were key among several factors leading to AIG's problems, saying they had "unintended consequences for financial institutions when markets seize up."
  
  On Oct. 3, AIG said it had already gone $61 billion into debt to the government, and was selling off parts of the company to pay for it.
  
  Tuesday's hearing was to be the second by the House Oversight panel to examine what went wrong with the economy.
  
  The first, on Monday, grilled Fuld, over why his company failed. The committee blamed Fuld and Lehman for being partly responsible for the economic failure that led to the $700 billion bailout of Wall Street.
  
  But Fuld blamed a "crisis of confidence" that had swept through the financial markets.
  
  Waxman also hammered Fuld for reaping about $480 million since 2000 at Lehman, while Fuld disputed that tally.
  

Isn't it simply disgusting to read all these??? Sigh!!!

Source and rest of story: here

Dr. Marc Faber: Short Term Bottom Near?

'Arghhh.... I've been reading way too much dooooooooooooom articles lately! Arghhhhh... '

Well how about a slight change of menu again? The other day I posted an article stating that lengendary investing Anthony Bolton is saying that Why Now's The Time To Buy.

And guess what Dr. Marc Faber is saying now?

• The stock market is as oversold as it has been since the crash of 1987 and the broader market could be start to rebound until early next year, Marc Faber, editor and publisher of the Gloom Boom and Doom Report, said Tuesday.
  
  The market is possibly in "the most oversold condition" since perhaps Oct. 19, 1897, Faber told CNBC's "Squawk Box."
  
  "Usually there is some seasonal strength between October and March" so it is possible the S&P 500 index will create a low between now and the end of the month, he said.
  
  But even at 1,000 the S&P is not particularly attractive and investors will still have to grapple with falling earnings through 2009, Faber said.
  
  "The fact is that earnings next year will continue to disappoint as the global economy is in recession," he said.
  
  Longer-term investors will have to position themselves in emerging country stock markets to play the global recovery, Faber advised.

Source: http://www.cnbc.com/id/27063664

What Did Warren Buffett Warn About Back In 2006

Here's an interesting article posted on CNN Money way back in 2006.

Buffett: Real estate slowdown ahead

On the real estate bubble

Buffett: "What we see in our residential brokerage business [HomeServices of America, the nation's second-largest realtor] is a slowdown everyplace, most dramatically in the formerly hottest markets. [Buffett singled out Dade and Broward counties in Florida as an area that has experienced a rise in unsold inventory and a stagnation in price.] The day traders of the Internet moved into trading condos, and that kind a speculation can produce a market that can move in a big way. You can get real discontinuities. We've had a real bubble to some degree. I would be surprised if there aren't some significant downward adjustments, especially in the higher end of the housing market."

On mortgage financing

Munger: "There is a lot of ridiculous credit being extended in the U.S. housing sector."

Buffett: "Dumb lending always has its consequences. It's like a disease that doesn't manifest itself for a few weeks, like an epidemic that doesn't show up until it's too late to stop it. Any developer will build anything he can borrow against. If you look at the 10Ks that are getting filed [by banks] and compare them just against last year's 10Ks, and look at their balances of 'interest accrued but not paid,' you'll see some very interesting statistics [implying that many homeowners are no longer able to service their current debt]."

Shocking Losses Reported By Kurnia Asia!

Malaysia's largest general insurer Kurnia Asia Bhd reported its earnings tonight.

It was truly shocking!

It had a sales revenue of 318.784 million. However it reported net losses of 303.093 million!

This is what it had to say in its earnings note.

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The Group suffered pre-tax loss of RM319.927 million for the quarter, compared to the RM33.800 million loss recorded in the preceding quarter. The drastic fluctuation on the results was mainly due to the underwriting loss of RM323.679 million recorded during the quarter, compared to RM48.024 million in preceding quarter, as a result of the following:

a) Claims expense increased by 119.6% quarter-on-quarter from RM217.721 million to RM478.112 million. Correspondingly, net claims ratio increased from 84.6% to 192.8% between quarters. The increase was mainly due to the efforts in strengthening KIMB’s claims provisioning as explained in note B1.

b) Management expenses increased by 9.4% quarter-on-quarter from RM62.448 million to
RM68.292 million for the current quarter, mainly attributable to the revision of the estimated useful life of computer equipment as explained in note B1.

Other than the major reduction in underwriting performance above, investment and other income declined by 59.9% quarter-on-quarter from RM15.927 million to RM6.383 million, due to the poor showing of Bursa Securities.

As mentioned in note B1, the Group’s results for the quarter under review were also mainly contributed by KIMB. KII’s contribution to the Group’s gross premium and net loss for the quarter amounted to RM9.919 million and RM0.955 million respectively.

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How on earth can its claims expenses increase by 119.6% quarter-on-quarter from RM217.721 million to RM478.112 million??????

Totally unreal!